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Never thought of it like that, 😂and I love how you put in the 5 times a day bit at the end nicely done
I was just rewatching that fight.
When he sided with Azula, we all felt betrayed!
It always made sense to me because even though he changed, he was still loyal to his country. Sure, his family sucked but it was the name that told you what he stood on. " My name is Zuko Prince of the Fire Nation and Heir to the Throne!"
Zuko absolutely wouldn't be as loved if he switch sides in book 2
You might wanna rephrase that "Iroh spewing love down Zuko's throat" part, bruv 😂😅
Him telling his father that the philosophy of the Fire Nation is founded on bullshit was by far my favorite dialogue
This time the 5 times a day gets a 7/10 we can't all be winners
Zuko is a flawed character cause even though he was born in a nation of war surrounded by people like Azula he would do anything for his nation and family but Iroh was the Goat cause he led him to a good path preventing him from going down the same path as his father, that's why I respected zuko more cause he was acting human while having to navigate difficult decision in his life
Can we all agree he was never a villain but a traumatized antagonist who finally found his way, seriously he is the G.O.A.T
Like it or not, relapsing is realistic.
we had to see things from the fire nation side,especially after the world believed the avatar was dead
Vegeta and Zuko are the gold standards for redemption.
Zuko and Vegeta are on a level of redemption arc standards that most characters can’t be compared to.
The closest attempts we’ve gotten in the last decade is Peridot ( Steven Universe), Catra (Netflix She Ra) and Bakugou Katsuki (My Hero Academia)
The one thing that i think is technically semantical but still a valid argument is that to say his honor was never stolen from him was incorrect in some ways. While i agree that the praises of people who aint shit dont really mean anything to a good person whose done nothing wrong, he most certainly did have it STOLEN from him. What he never did was lose it from his own actions. Ozai and the rest of the fire nation did steal his honor, and they did so unjustly because of their own greed, ruthlessness, and lack of compassion. And all zuko had to show for it in the end of that arc of his life was a vendetta against a kid he never met and a burn scar that wouldnt ever go away. So yeah, Zuko never lost his honor, but it was unfairly stolen from him. And i believe abandoning his mission to hunt down aang, joining team Avatar, and embracing his uncle's teachings brought it back tenfold. And we definitely agree that Zuko is in fact the poster boy of redemption, very few others compare.
Also keep posting 5 times a day this shit is lit 🔥
I REALLY wanted Azula to be redeemed too, but unfortunately Ozai favored her, which meant he was probably even more abusive with her, just like Shredder and karai. You could tell she had a major dependence kn him, when he left she fucking snapped, it was over for her. She had NO buisness losing that fight against Katara and Zuko, the girl had been soloing that whole squad since the jump, I think she wanted to loss, ik this is about Zuko, but you bringing her pic up reminded me of that.
Biggest character growth has to be Zuko's hair, it grew more and more majestic the more he redeemed himself.
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Along with his hair growing back his physique also changed, he was fairly muscular early on relying on strength but as he master firebending he is much skinnier from wandering around but is a more powerful bender
I really like how ATLA seemingly gave Zuko what he wanted with him getting his father's approval yet Zuko realizing himself that this wasn't what he really wanted. It also led to/made a lot of great things possible: the revelation that Zuko is related to Roku, the conversation between Iroh & Zuko in the fire nation prison, the beach episode, Zuko confronting his father, the continuation of Azula vs Zuko, Zuko joining the group, & the introduction of Sparky Sparky Boom Boom/Combustion Man
Zuko and Azula's arcs, I think, show the deep trauma and damage that centuries of political and ideological indoctrination and/or abusive environments can do to people who are born, live, grow old and die in places like the Fire Nation. Just look at Cuba, Russia, North Korea, Brazilian favelas, Imperial Japan, Nazi Germany, Islamic State, etc.
Zuko KNEW something was wrong, but was convinced to believe it was HIM that was wrong for not matching his father's expectations (which he never could or would have, because Ozai was a manipulative, petty sociopathic piece of shit that abused him just out of spite against Ursa). We see him travel across the world, chasing after Aang and his own tail, seeing the horrible things the Fire Nation did to people, yet desperately pushing it out of his mind or justifying it. In Lake Laogai, Iroh is desperately trying to deprogram Zuko from acting kamikaze, and it cause him to have brain fever when he starts questioning it. His trying to go full "Tea Shop Keeper" mode was a freaking defense coping mechanism; he shifted "blind loyalty to father" to "blind loyalty to uncle", which Azula later pointed out. Iroh himself, upset as he was, realized that Zuko NEEDED to wake up by himself. And it took Zuko a LOT to climb out of that hole, even after he thought the hole was where he wanted to and should be.
Azula? She is practically a dream Lebensborn child a la Albert Wesker, Itachi Uchiha, Balalaika, Vegeta, etc. She was raised to be the ultimate enforcer, the future dictator obsessed with perfection. Her whole identity revolves around that, Ozai made sure of it. The moment she isn't perfect or doesn't get acknowledgement of it, she unravels. I'm not sure where her arc is going in the comics, but I'm not sure she can ever grow out of that.
Iroh = 🐐